Configuring Audyssey – The Right Way

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The Backstory

I remember I was 23 and I had just gotten my first job out of uni. I was really interested in home cinema technology and I decided to save up for a top of the line Denon with Audyssey. It was a tank of a machine. 

I came from a bottom of the line Marantz without any room correction so this was super exciting. 

I didn’t upgrade the speakers I had – some bargain priced Celestion that had bi-wire capabilities and a kick-ass sub I still use today for my studio. 

I naively thought that just following the manual and configuring Audyssey once, I would experience perfection. Well, it sounded OK but let’s just say I was slightly underwhelmed considering how much I paid for the receiver. 

So we decided to build a dedicated area with the latest JVC projector, the top of the line Denon I just bought and a new set of M&K speakers with a matching sub. If you’ve been in Home Cinema for any length of time, you know that M&K are considered the Holy Grail of home cinema speakers. As great as they are, I beg to differ but that’s for another article. 

In any case, I set up the Denon again with Audyssey and the results I got were even worse than before. 

So if providing a dedicated space and spending literally 10x as much on speakers didn’t do the trick then what does? 

Well, let’s just say I have spent a lot more time learning about my new found hobby since then so let me fill you in! 

The Fix

Well, there are five things that make a large difference when setting up any room correction system but especially Audyssey:

  1. Speaker positioning and installation
  2. Room treatment
  3. DOs and DON’Ts of microphone placement
  4. Microphone pattern you use to calibrate
  5. How you configure Audyssey after you’ve set it up

Audyssey is incredibly sensitive to all 5 of these setup issues, even more so than other room correction solutions. 

Some people simply give up by disabling Audyssey on certain channels, or above a certain frequency.

Others still try and create their own “house curve” or frequency curve using the Audyssey mobile app. I don’t think any of these solutions are ideal.

So if these are not the solutions, then what is? 

Speaker Positioning and Installation

Two issues need to be taken into account when thinking of speaker installation: speaker positioning and speaker decoupling. 

It is very important that the speakers are pointed at the listeners’ ears or away from it dependent on which speaker position we are talking about and whether the speakers are highly directional or not. 

For front speakers, it is very important that the speakers are pointed at the listeners’ ears. For surround, surround back and ceiling speakers, it isn’t always ideal to do this and is highly dependent on the speaker make / model as well as room size, seating arrangement, etc.

Secondly, it is critical that all speakers are decoupled from the room. It is most critical to do this with the centre speaker and the subwoofer(s). 

If this is not done, Audyssey will spend precious DSP cycles on trying to fix these issues and sometimes make things even worse.

Room Treatment

One of the biggest misconceptions in Home Cinema technology today is that you can solve all room acoustical issues by using sophisticated DSPs. This is incorrect. You can minimize the issues in certain parts of the room but you cannot fully remove the issues – and in certain rooms you will end up creating new ones. 

This is especially true of Audyssey because unlike Pioneer and Yamaha, Audyssey’s algorithm is not nearly as good at taking into account reverberation time and the resulting psycho-acoustical effects within the room. This is why Audyssey can sound harsh or very piercing in the high end. 

I describe this point in a lot of detail in Secrets of Audyssey and show you how to build such room treatment panels cheaply in my Building DIY Room Treatment Guide.

You can also do your own research. What you shouldn’t do however is skip this step and use the forums to find new ways to trick the system to sound decent. But that’s all that does – it will sound decent and not exceptional.

DOs and DON’Ts of Microphone placement

I cover this in my Yamaha Guide as well here and the same things apply but with an even sterner warning: Audyssey is super sensitive to these issues.  

  • Don’t put the microphone on the headrest, sofa or any hard surface.
  • Don’t place it close to walls
  • Don’t put it on your coffee table in front of you unless you plan to listen with your head on the coffee table
  • Do use a camera tripod or even better: a microphone boom stand to hold it. A boom stand decouples the microphone from the room a lot better then any other method and will get you the best results!
  • Do put the microphone at ear height

Mic pattern

Firstly, even if you only have one or two listening positions, you MUST use all positions when calibrating. Otherwise you’re not giving the algorithm enough data to do the calibration and you’re doing the equivalent of simply rolling a dice. 

Secondly, I’ll say this out flat: the mic pattern within the receiver user guides is not ideal. There is no other way to say this. Apologies to Sound United and Audyssey but it’s a large part of the problem. It may work for some mythical “perfect room” scenario but it is not great for the rest.

There are two competing aims when building the correct mic pattern for your use: 

  1. Keeping imaging and impulse response intact as much as possible
  2. Getting a good frequency response in as many seats as possible

These are two competing goals. Normally one needs to be sacrificed to improve the other. This is why it’s so critical to implement good room treatment as that will result in an improvement of both across the listening area. 

But getting back to the mic pattern, a tight mic pattern works much better for Audyssey in my room than a more spread out one. I describe two tight and two spread out patterns in Secrets of Audyssey so you can balance frequency response versus imaging in your setup. However, let me give you some pointers here to allow you to build your own pattern:

  1. The first position must be at the centre of the listening space at ear height – positioned as if the microphone was between your two ears
  2. The next 2 positions should be left and right to the starting position at a distance between 10 and 30 cms. 
  3. The next 2 positions can be in front and behind the starting position at a distance between 5 and 15 cms.
  4. The rest of the positions can be kept close to the primary position or spread out in other seats dependent on whether you value a flatter frequency response across seats or better imaging / impulse response. 
  5. There must be some height variation between the measurements to stop Audyssey from over-compensating. Overcompensation can result in a harsh midrange, shrill highs, sucked out base or too much base.

I myself value imaging much more and since I actually did the hard work of treating the first reflections in the room as well as reducing the reverb time, I tackled frequency response to a point where it is pretty consistent from seat to seat. 

However, in your particular room, you may prefer something entirely different.

Ultimately, my advice is this: don’t just run the setup routine once and forget it. If the sound is not satisfactory, rerun the routine again with a slightly different mic pattern and check results with movie material you are familiar with. I say movie material as music is not recorded to a particular standard – movies are to a point. Let’s stick to that story for simplicity’s sake.

Configure Audyssey after Setup Routine Has Run

  1. Crossovers: I recommend these at 80hz even if the receiver has set them lower. There are many reasons for this but the main one is that Audyssey has more accurate filters for the subwoofers under 80hz and with an ideal setup, you may just get a better response. 
  2. Crossovers should never be lowered however. For example, if the receiver has set them at 120Hz, you should NOT lower them to 80Hz. Instead, you need to review the speaker positions, aiming, room setup, mic positions, etc and re-run the setup routine. This is because no filters are created for anything below this frequency and the speaker is not capable to overcome room issues below this frequency in its current position, setup, etc.
  3. If you have the mobile app, you can disable midrange compensation. However, this step is NOT critical to have a system sounding great. Advanced users only. I would recommend listening with both midrange compensation on and off. If you have the Audyssey App, I provide the Audyssey Curve Editor Excel Tool with Secrets of Audyssey to allow you to precision edit and move midrange compensation as needed for your speakers.
  4. You do need Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume enabled for movies. The reason people tend to think that they need a house curve is because they don’t understand the principles of loudness compensation. Read the linked article to learn more. I say this seriously… if Dynamic EQ and Volume are not sounding great with your setup, you did not set up your speakers, room or the receiver correctly.

A common complaint that people have when enabling Dynamic EQ is that it is too aggressive. There is an offset function within Audyssey that you can use to dial down the effect. Use it!

Dynamic Volume should be set to day / light mode. Again, the issue here is that listening to any material below reference volume means that quiet passages will disappear below the human hearing threshold and loud passages will still be loud. It’s best to use Dynamic Volume to compensate. It will restore the perception of relative scale and actually convey the original intent and scale of the soundtrack better at anything below reference. 

Secrets of Audyssey

If you are serious about Audyssey and home theatre, I would recommend you get the Secrets of Audyssey guide and skip 15 years and hundreds of hours of learning and setup.

Get the Secrets of Audyssey guide!

Also, doing this properly means you don’t resort to disabling such technology in your receiver or indeed doing your own curves in the mobile app which might get you towards a sound you like but takes you away from what the soundtrack is meant to sound like. 

There are psycho-acoustical issues for why Audyssey set up according to the manual will not sound great for 80% of people. I explain these in more detail in the guide.

Audyssey set up correctly does NOT need disabling of Dynamic EQ and Volume, does NOT need custom curves in the mobile app and does NOT need disabling of Audyssey in the high frequencies.

Follow-Up Article

If you found the above article useful, there’s a follow-up article called Achieving Reference Playback with Audyssey, which is also worth reading.

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  1. Just Wow! I have been struggling with so many of these issues seeing so many purist audiophiles say disable everything or it sounds unnatural. I felt guilty about turning on EQ and especially Dynamic volume even though I thought it sounded better so many say it’s artificial and messes with the sound. I loved your explanations and I’m redoing my calibrations today! Thank you so much for all your insight.

    1. I’m really glad you found the article useful. I think you’ll find a lot of other tidbits in Secrets of Audyssey (saw you got a copy).
      Lots of people have improved their setup and have gotten great results using both the this article and the guide.

      I used to be very frustrated with Audyssey and I know many others as well. I spent a good part of a year getting the setup right and experimenting until it all fell into place. Every time I use my home cinema now, I know I get really great sound.

      So I wanted to share my findings as the forums aren’t always covering all the bases. People tend to do very specific research but not cover a topic in its entirety.

      I hope you enjoy your recalibration and get to a really great place with it too! Let us know how you go! 🙂

      1. This is a great explanation of how to make the most out of Audyssey.
        One thing this article is missing though is about the level increase of the surround speakers when using Dynamic EQ.
        Everytime you decrease Main Volume ÷5 dB down from reference (0 dB), the surounds are increased about 1dB.
        I normally listen at ÷ 15dB down from reference, so in my case, the surround speakers are increased about 3 dB. I understand the reason for this as peoples hearing decreases when listening from behind our ears, but this is simply too agressive.
        My surround are somewhat close to where i sit, so to “compensate” and bring back the level balance of my system, I decrease my surrounds 3dB.
        I believe I’ve read an article somewhere that Roland was giving feedback to Audyssey about this some years ago. BUT it has never been fixet. A simple on/off toggle in the Audyssey app would take care of this. Some like the increase in surround level, but a lot of people (myself included) HATE this as it forces us to mnually decrease surround level post Audyssey.
        🤷‍♂️

      2. Hi Carsten,
        This is not as simple as that I’m afraid as dependent on the distance and height of the surround channels, different adjustments are needed. It’s not one size fits all. It is discussed in Secrets of Audyssey in more detail.

        May I ask how far away are your surround speakers relative to your front speakers and whether they are at ear height or higher? Thx!

      1. This is an Audyssey article, Michael. The NR7100 runs Dirac Live and the NR6050 likely runs Onkyo’s own EQ solution. I’m afraid neither of them support Audyssey.

      2. Both The NR7100 and the NR6050 have the option of Audyssey Accueq, is that something different?

      3. AccuEQ is different… that’s not Audyssey. That’s Onkyo’s own system.

        If you want Audyssey, you need to buy Denon or Marantz as it is now exclusive to those.

  2. Hi! I’m doing a new calibration today and decided to see if there was any “best practice” on-line. You’re it! What you suggest definitely makes a lot of sense to me. My question is whether the above configuration is equally applicable when running a 2.1 setup for mostly music and some TV?

    I also never really understood if adjustments made in the MultEQ app when transferred to the AVR only apply to Reference or also to Flat?

    Thanks!

    1. Hi Stefan,
      About to sleep here but saw your comment pop up. Yes, it certainly applies to 2.1 setups.
      The changes only apply to the Reference curve when done in Mobile app. MultEQ-X PC app can customise both curves. Hope this helps. Off to sleep here. 🙂

      1. Thanks a lot! Just done with measuring, now listening to the result. So far quite impressed! 👍

  3. When Audyssey room corrects is that with mid range compensation on or off or does it not matter?

    Trying to figure out if I should leave it on or off. Here is a shot of one of the speakers. I have 3 Klipsch RP6000F speakers for my LCR and they all look about the same. I can’t attach the scrrenshot though

  4. Hello again Roland, any suggestions to calibrate a Pioneer avr with MCACC? Are you going to make a tutorial about it?

    1. Mmm. That’s a very good question. It’s not on my radar for the next 12 months unless there’s enough interest. But now you got it in my head, I might put something on the radar.
      Which unit do you have?

  5. I live in the city and cannot achieve total silence for Audyssey auto-cal . There is a constant background hum of the city that penetrants everything. I get no errors when I run Audyssey and the results sound fine. Can I safely assume I am still getting a solid calibration despite this issue?

    1. Absolutely, Mike! A constant low-level hum is very easy to discard during measurements. Audyssey does measure this low-level noise and takes it into consideration. It’s only uneven, unpredictable or high level noise which could interfere with measurements.

      1. Thank you so much, I finally feel at peace with my calibration! My rear speakers are rated down to 90Hz but Audyssey will set them at a 70Hz crossover every time I run it. Should I leave them as Audyssey sets them or raise the crossover to 90-100Hz? All other settings look correct.

      2. No worries. You can raise crossover but should never lower them! If you know your speakers are only rated down to 90hz then you could up the crossover to 90.

      3. Another question: I have a leather sofa and my ear level is about 3-4″ below the back of the sofa back when seated. I see a lot of conflicting information about keeping the mic at ear level in this situation, or raising it up so it is just above the backrest. Which is the better method?

      4. Generally I would recommend starting at ear height, however, it is a good idea to variate height beyond 3-4 mic positions to give the algorithm enough data to work with – such as 5-10cm (2-4”) above the starting positions.
        Secrets of Audyssey contains mic patterns that use height variation for this reason as those might work better for a scenario that you mention – as an example.

  6. Great guide Roland. I just did my first tight pattern and added custom dips for the internal crossovers of my fronts at 300 and 3000Hz using your Excel tool and a bunch of copy pasting. A suggestion for Appendix B, step 3, would be to NOT replace ALL instances of customTargetCurvePoints[] in the .ady file, but just replace the ones corresponding to the speakers that you created these custom dips for. You could then replace this with different values for different speakers, depending on their internal crossovers. The individual speakers can easily be identified by looking at the “commandId” in the .ady file. In my case (5 speaker setup), these are “FL”, “C”, “FR”, “SLA”, “SRA”. Note that the “customTargetCurvePoints” part comes before the “commandId”, so that’s something to take into account. Maybe you’ve already seen this in the .ady file and left it out, because it requires some extra precise text editing skills, but it might be worth mentioning for some readers.

    What I still have to figure out is why my FL speaker shows these strange dips between 150 and 250 Hz, that Audyssey can’t compensate for, while the FR doesn’t. What would you try? A wider mic pattern? My options in changing speaker placement and room treatment are quite limited, since it’s a family room. My previous AVR didn’t measure this issue, with the speaker sitting in the same spot, give or take an inch.

    1. Thank you, Ronald. It more has to do with complexity of support on my end… as manual hacking of the file isn’t quite straight-forward. But well done for getting it done and thank you for detailing for others.

      In case someone else is reading this, the supported option is to develop the curve in the excel sheet, transfer it to the Ady file and then use Ratbuddyssey for speaker-specific alterations.

      On your other question. I think it sounds like you may need to give something up – either a perfect family room or perfect frequency response. However, lots of those dips might not be that noticeable… REW has psychoacoustic smoothing option if you wanted to measure and check what is and what isn’t audible.

      Happy Listening 🙂

  7. Hi.
    Very interesting.
    I will re-run the calibration as soon as I get the chance. I have had the microphone on a tripod and have always measured all positions at the same height.
    Wheeling you say:
    There must be some height variation between the measurements to stop Audyssey from over-compensating.

    When the first important measurement is done, should you raise and lower future measurements approx. 5-10 cm? Or how much and should one adjust the height of all measurements after the first one?

    Thanks

    Patric

    1. Hi Patrick,

      Yes, you can up and lower them by a few cms, upto around 5cm, unless the pattern you are working with doesn’t have height variations or gives you a different instruction. (E.g. Secrets of Audyssey includes quite a few patterns and one of them doesn’t include a height difference as it’s for troubleshooting.)

      Thanks,
      Roland

  8. Thanks for the great guide Roland,

    I am still tinkering with the rew and the right settings but have a problem, maybe u can help me. If i open a .ady file in Ratbuddyssey my speaker configuration is changed and i lose the subwoofer setting(standard or directional) When uploaded the file to my AVC-3800H there is no subwoofer in the speaker configuration anymore and when i enable it Audyssey isn’t working off course.

    Also posted in the avs forum Ratbuddyssey topic but no reply so far, would be great if u could help, i all ready made a lot of progress with your secrets of Audyssey guide.

    Thanks,
    Manuel

    1. Hi Manuel,
      Thank you for the kind words. I’m glad you’re enjoying the guide.
      Everyone is just getting their hands on these new lines of AVRs and the tools have not been updated.
      I think you may need to forget Ratbuddyssey for a while. It could take upto a year as some people, including the developer, might skip this new line.
      Apologies, but I don’t have a workaround either at the moment.
      You could try and back the file manually to restore the speaker settings but that might be a bit of a hit and miss. :/
      Thanks,
      Roland

  9. Thank you for this guide! Its highly appreciated as i am struggling to find a good calibration just following the on-screen guide.

    You mention that “it is critical that all speakers are decoupled from the room. It is most critical to do this with the centre speaker and the subwoofer(s).” What exactly
    Do you mean by this? Maybe its just my english, but i cannot wrap my head around what you mean that i should do?

    1. Hi Ivan,
      Really glad the article is helping you – and others out.
      Decoupling means to ensure the resonances created by the sound don’t transfer into surrounding walls, floor, ceiling or furniture.
      This is achieved by putting something else between the speaker and the furniture – my favourite one for the centre channel are little stick-on silicone legs. You can buy these in any hardware store as they are also used for surface protection.
      Another strategy is to pull the centre speaker out as much as possible if it sits within a cabinet. You don’t want the direct sound to be bouncing off the edge or inside of the cabinet.
      You can of course go even further. More strategies are discussed in Secrets of Audyssey, but I hope this points you in the right direction.

  10. I’ve had Denon av in different guises but since finding your article and consequently buying secrets of audyssey my current system has never sounded better, also buying a boom stand was a worthy purchase, I know there’s still work to do which as soon as I’ve read and reread the secrets I’m sure it’ll be worth the effort, thank you for your time and effort in making the guide

  11. Great article. Quick question when you say to put everything at 80 Hz do you include the subwoofer? Currently I have all my speakers at 90Hz and Sub (Klipsch 120SW) at 120Hz. The subs gain is set to three any higher seems to overwhelm the rest of the system, the phase is 0 and Hz knob is set all the way to right (LFE).

    I mostly watch movies and listen to vinyl. Getting a balance is tough with vinyl. I have DYNAMICEQ set to reference and 0db for movies and flat at 10db for the turntable. Any insight on what I can do to improve the sound would be appreciated.

    1. Hi Al,
      Leave the subwoofer’s low-pass filter at its default. It doesn’t need to be changed from 120hz. It’s a power user setting and should be hidden really as it confuses people.
      It’s difficult to give any other insight beyond what you read on the blog, as personalized recommendation requires an interview and / or more extensive data collection.
      But I can tell you that your AVR is the limiting factor as it doesn’t have XT32. The biggest bang for buck would be to upgrade it to a newer receiver (e.g. 3800h). Without XT32, Audyssey is doing very little under 250Hz and all these recommendations will do very little really. :/

  12. Hi Roland,
    I bought your guide but what I do not understand is why would we want to correct the frequency response above the schroeder frequency. Doing so can affect the direct sound. So if you have the anechoic measurements of your speakers shouldnt you just apply eq based on that and limit audyssey to bass frequencies?
    Audyssey tried to eq to flat the in room responce. How is that desirable?

    1. Hi Constantinos,
      Great question.

      Ideally you want to make broad corrections above the Schroeder frequency as changes in the mid and high frequencies do affect the timbre of the sound and can compromise surround steering as well as loudness compensation.

      The issue with Audyssey is that it doesn’t make broad corrections but very detailed ones. This can actually hurt the sound.

      The way we try and get around this is two-fold:
      1. We try and optimize the room and speakers so Audyssey has less work to do in the high frequencies
      2. By using all the mic positions and spreading them out in a way that the compensation sounds more natural. This is a bit of a trial and error but the guide gives you both options and troubleshooting for this.

      I raised a ticket with Audyssey a while ago to allow for progressive smoothing of the filter that’s uploaded into the AVR above the Schroeder frequency as that is actually what will deliver optimal sound, not the current approach. It would also make Audyssey less hands off and less work to get it to sound great.
      They said they will look into it for MultEQ-X. Let’s see if they do!
      This is actually the approach other solutions tend to use in one form or another.

      Having said that, if you are very much against correcting above this for your own setup, that is fine. As long as you have a symmetrical room and you enjoy the response of your speakers in the midrange and high frequencies, then go for it. But I would challenge you to follow the guide chapter by chapter, do the work and see where you get to.

      Because forum advice is only that: people repeating old research that is not really relevant anymore. And some of the more cutting edge research is proprietary. But if you look at Dirac, ARC and Trinnov, they have managed to crack it. Even Yamaha is correcting above Schroeder and relatively successfully in terms of sounding very natural I might add.

      So I would challenge you to give this a go. But with the caveat that Audyssey IS doing something that really shouldn’t be done and you are trying to work around that. This is exactly the purpose of the guide!

      Btw, nobody is saying to EQ a room flat. This is why we have equal loudness contours. Again, try and forget forum advice please and read the guide cover to cover. It will make sense.

      1. Hello Roland,
        Thanks for your prompt and detailed reply.
        What I am (and possibly many others) trying to grasp is what is objectively and scientifically the correct approach with auto correction above the schr fr.
        For instance if you a speaker that measures flat anechoecly (good speaker or you have eq it based on anech msrmnts) then the various peaks and nulls that audyssey mic peaks up are the room reflections. If this is true then why would any amount of correction be beneficial taking into account that it will only affect the direct sound and our brains can interpret the reflections? What would be the reasoning and rational behind this? Some magical proprietory technology?

        On the other hand, in the cases where your speaker does not measure flat anechoecly then there might be a case for autocorrection above schr. Could it be that only in those cases audyssey should be full range?
        Take into account that most have untreated rooms also.
        Therefore, shouldnt the general advice be that audyssey should be limited to schr fr unless in rare cases instead of the other way around?
        I will try the methodology in the guide out lf curiosity but it goes against the scientific reasoning that I have.

        This is not to disregard what you are saying but I am playing devils advocate in order to clear this up.

        Many thanks!

      2. Hi Constantinos,

        Ok, now I understand your question a bit more.

        So as the frequency increases, “room modes” get incredibly dense to the point that we can’t call them room modes and there’s a lot of variance even centimeters apart. Therefore there’s very little point in correcting for specific dips and nulls at exact frequencies.

        HOWEVER, the room (and actually the speaker’s response additive to that) will influence the amount of energy per frequency band in a way that will tilt certain bands as having too much or too little energy.

        So while it isn’t worth trying to do detailed corrections, it is very much worthwhile to do broader corrections as you go up the frequency bands as your ears will perceive a tonal shift that the room introduces if you do not. (A flat speaker will no longer sound flat.)

        Now, this is why the best solution would be for the EQ system to progressively smooth the filter and do broader and broader corrections as the frequency increases, as this will sound very natural. One way to achieve this is of course taking more than one position measurement. The more you were to take, the more you start smoothing the filter. This is Audyssey’s approach.

        While I think this is still not ideal, it’s at least a tool we can use to achieve our aim to get Audyssey to sound more natural.

        Now, you have to understand that we ARE trying to correct for the room even if a speaker’s response is flat anechoicly . It is the whole system (the playback system + the room) that we must correct if we want to achieve reference playback.

        Now it isn’t true that you want to correct “the system” flat though… because there has to be a high-frequency rolloff dependent on the size of the room. Flat won’t sound flat for that reason even at reference level. This is what Audyssey’s reference curve is trying to achieve.

        However, even more importantly, our hearing isn’t linear. What we hear as flat at reference level is not heard as flat as the volume is decreased. This is why bass and treble seem to drop off quicker as volume is lowered. If we don’t compensate for it, then we cannot say we are playing a track how it was heard in the mastering studio or in a commercial cinema. Hence loudness compensation aka Dynamic EQ. People tend to try and correct for this by using static house curves but a house curve is only correct at a particular volume and for a particular type of content.

        Unfortunately, forum advice has gotten things a bit off track and people confusing the issues. When Audyssey is calibrated well, and a person knows how to use Dynamic EQ, the soundtrack will take on its correct tonal balance and will sound just right.

        Look, it does get a bit more complicated when we also bring in the time domain. The time-domain issues are very important for clarity and even for tonal balance in some cases. Looking at only the frequency domain is a useful but gross over-simplification of the issues. But I tried to give a little bit of insight into that in the guide. I’ll be preparing the installer guides this year for pro installers which will go into these issues in detail.

        I would encourage you to lay aside what you have learnt so far, don’t over complicate it and follow the guidance.

        As an example, I have had to troubleshoot Audyssey installs where the user was trying to help the process along by introducing other steps such as volume leveling speakers with internal or external tones. Don’t do this unless you know what you are doing. 99.9% of people do not. You need proper bandwidth-limited noise to do it and I haven’t seen anyone use that outside of Audyssey … and THX engineers. You can make tiny corrections (0.5dB) but anything more than that and it’s likely an error on the user’s part.

        Cheers,
        Roland

      3. Hello Roland,

        Again really appreciate you taking the time to explain things. I totally agree with what you are saying and I will follow the guide and share my thoughts on the result. I believe I do have a solid understanding of all the concepts you have mentioned.

        FYI I have the MultEQ-X app for PC.

        Just one final point, assuming you have REW and a calibrated measuring mic and have a speaker that measures flat anechoicly then you can measure your in-room response and will most probably follow the harman curve in mid and high frequencies (i.e. roll-off as expected).

        So if this is the case and as you said the room influence is limited below the schroeder frequency then applying audyssey full range instead of limited range wouldn’t result in a worse result in most cases? Or do you still think the room in med and high frequencies will still introduce a tonal shift?

        DEQ is on by the way but will only affect the limited range below schroeder fr.

        PS: REW with umik offers a bandlimited signal for level matching.

        Thanks again.

      4. Please have a look at the below article around why I don’t recommend people start with the Harman Curve.

        https://simplehomecinema.com/2022/01/26/the-problem-with-house-curves/

        I never said the room’s influence is limited below Schroeder. That is an incorrect assumption. The room influences the whole range. But under it, room modes dominate. Above it, the reverberant field dominates. But both have a HUGE impact on tonal balance, absolutely 100%. You need to start reading the Guide as it is clearly discussed in the first few chapters.

        DEQ affects the whole frequency range as it should. I don’t know where you heard that it doesn’t affect midrange or high frequencies but that’s incorrect. If you want to know more and see how, you would have to read Dirac Live Perfection as that maps all the loudness compensation solutions and allow you to create custom curves for Dirac based on them. Then you start to see why Harman’s research is rather limited.

        A speaker that is designed to be flat anechoicly is not necessarily ideal in every situation. Good speaker designers anticipate how the speaker will be used and how the room influences the speaker, and in fact lots of them do at least in the home theatre space.

        If you come from the Hifi space, I recommend you forget what you’ve learnt as it will severely limit the extent of what you will achieve. Lots of those assumptions are turned on their heads when dealing with surround sound.

        Again, I’ll go into the science more in the coming Installer’s guides but for now, suspend your disbelief and start reading cover to cover.

        I hope you enjoy and get great performance out of Audyssey like many have. 🙂

      5. Hello Roland,

        Thanks again for the detailed reply. The fact is I have read the guide in the past but I feel I was not in a position to absorb it properly and that is why I have started reading it again and have already run audyssey once with pattern one. (I noticed phantom center shifted a bit to one side compared to before but still troubleshooting).

        Indeed DEQ affects the whole FR that was my mistake.

        I would really appreciate booking a session with you after I have read the guide.

        I am trying to keep an open mind as you said but it is proving to be counter-intuitive mainly because of the following:

        1. In the mid and high frequencies audyssey picks up the room reflections in addition to the direct sound and is not able to distinguish between the two the way our brain does. So any correction done (either broad or narrow) affects the direct sound only and it is therefore inherently wrong right? (Take into account that most people do not use acoustic treatments).

        2. The majority (99%) of the information out there including many different forums, youtube channels, articles etc all have a common narrative that limiting audyssey correction to 300-500Hz produces the best results. I know you have asked me to keep an open mind and I will but it is important to know where many people are coming from.

        In addition, in my experience, any changes done to the audio system would require around 1-2 weeks of getting used to because in many cases it may sound worse at first when it is just different and maybe more accurate.

        In any case, looking forward to finishing the guide, playing around with measurements and at the end hopefully having a session.

      6. Just to add… if what you are saying is you like how your speakers sound in the mid and treble then by all means, you don’t need to correct them. But you will not get reference playback. Now for lots of people, especially in the Hifi area, that doesn’t matter. But to me it does a lot. That is the principle this blog and the guides are based on and why I keep pushing forward with this.

        You said you will read and follow the guide which I think will help challenge some of your assumptions. If after that you still feel stuck or have nagging questions, please feel free to book time with me and we can go through those areas. 🙂

      7. Apologies, one last point.

        Some people are very sensitive to artefacts Audyssey introduces in the mid and treble in its current form. While Secrets of Audyssey will get the vast majority to a place where they are unaffected by this, there’s a small minority that have very sensitive hearing and will still be bothered by this. (I can still hear a residual but I’m ok with it. But I can tell Audyssey from Dirac very easily.)

        In the troubleshooting section, I go through different ways to troubleshoot this. But ultimately, if you are still bothered by the residual after all that, you have two options:
        1. Use MultEQ-X and use all 32 measurement positions in the listening space. See if that smooths the filter enough.
        2. Turn off Audyssey under a particular frequency. This isn’t necessarily Schroeder but is based on hearing sensitivity. A lot of people get along with 500Hz as it’s far away from the most sensitive 1kHz area. But some may need to go lower.

        Now this is last resort but it is described in the guide. I hope none of this will be necessary if Audyssey introduces progressive filter smoothing in the future. 🙂

  13. Hi Roland, I bought your guide, I’ve been using it a lot.
    My question is, during the calibration Audissey asks if you want to use Dinamic eq, if I don’t want to and finish the calibration, and later want to use Dinamic eq, will this be a problem?
    To be able to use it in the best possible way, should it be enabled at the time of calibration?

    1. Hi Gilmar,

      No, you can enable it later, it doesn’t matter when it’s done. But I would definitely advise you to learn how to use Dynamic EQ correctly – through Secrets of Audyssey since you’ve got it, but don’t skip it!
      For other people reading this, there’s plenty of free articles on the site to get started with…

      1. Hello, coming back as promised after reading the guide and applying audyssey in various ways and configurations.

        My two cents on my experience and everyone that is or will be applying audyssey.

        Always try listening both with aidyssey enabled and disabled but also with audyssey limited to 500hz. Do no assume audyssey is by default better sounding.

        In my casing audyssey full correction resulted in a worse sound, harsh and sibilant.

        You have chosen to pay and buy a long and detailed tutorial on audyssey because you want to get the best sound. Invest in a umik mic and use rew to measure your response.

        A not so obvious disclaimer is that if you do not have acoustic treatment in your room then audyssey will probably make your sound worse. But how many actually have acoustic treatment? 5 per cent? Think about that.

        Mic accuracy: it has been illustrated (search for it) with measurements that the stock audyssey mic is highly inaccurate in high frequencies meaning it will not apply an accurate correction.
        Think about that as well.

        I am not against audyssey but I am in favor of transparency

      2. Well, ultimately yes, Audyssey sounds best with room treatment because of how it’s been designed. There’s no getting around that. If you aren’t willing to optimize your room then you won’t get the best out of it.

        I would say that most people are able to get Audyssey to work for them without having to limit correction. I personally had to troubleshoot many setups and we always found the issue. It was extremely rarely the mic. But of course the calibrated Audyssey mic is a good option. Plugging it into a PC is likely not going to be super accurate if the AVR is applying a correction filter…

        In the end, there’s always that 5% that simply won’t get along with Audyssey no matter what. And I stand by my money back guarantee, Mr Constantinos, so you should find the refund in your PayPal account shortly. Since the transaction was a while ago and I can’t see the conversion rate, I had to guess. Apologies if it wasn’t exact, tried to match it to the max around that time.
        Appreciated your business. 🙂

  14. Hi Roland, I believe your guide offers so much more than just a tutorial on how to setup audyssey and I found it very helpful because it offers a good insight into acoustic concepts and best practices. So I would never ask for a refund even if audyssey has not fully worked for me. At the end of the day, your guide helped me through a time that I was just getting into this hobby and was overwhelmed with all these new concepts.

    1. Thank you, Constantinos. That’s very kind. I’m glad it’s helped some at least.

      I’m working on a very large audio guide that will cover even more, so hopefully it will be an even better introduction to the hobby for people…

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